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Kevin Armstrong ([personal profile] tarnishedavenger) wrote in [community profile] piper902020-04-20 03:58 pm

001: Group Introductions - TEXT

[During a lull in the party, Armstrong taps out a quick message to the network. Not that private one, he doesn't trust it. They can answer whenever they like, so long as he gets an answer. The trick would be wording it.]

So, we're all in this for now. You've had your welcome cake, but you can't meet everyone in a party, no matter how hard you try. But, since we've all been encouraged to sign up with Jorgmund, I figured now would be a good time to get some introductions done. Talk about any specialties we might have.

Share information that we feel comfortable sharing. This isn't to pressure anyone or to force out any dark secrets.

[Not where watchful eyes can see, at least.]

Besides, I prefer doing this to making a cute information sharing game.

So, please, make your own threads within this post to keep everything organized.
passifloraincarnata: (mama always said i'd turn out wrong)

[personal profile] passifloraincarnata 2020-04-23 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
And "hate"?

Could the development of an emotion like hate in a person like that also be the result of such a "failure"?
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[personal profile] xrater 2020-04-23 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Easily.

[It could end there, but unfortunately Alia's the long-winded sort. She keeps typing, even after noting the later reply.]

Maybe not true hatred, like you and I might feel. I'm not actually certain how advanced your AIs are, I'm merely guessing based on when I think you're from (Late 1980s to early 2010s?), but for a primitive AI on the level of that theoretical paperclip computer? It wouldn't be capable of such, though it could fake it well enough.

But it could feel a rough equivalent. For some primitive AIs, being able to perform one's functions to the best of its abilities would give it something close to satisfaction. Everything in its place, doing what it should, smoothly and without interruption would be as close as it could get to pleasure, contentedness, or perhaps even a basic form of love.

A disruption in that would be equivalent to pain. Throw in constant disruptions and that constant sense of pain could easily be equated to hatred for whoever, or whatever, was keeping it from performing properly as it stepped up its efforts to fix the 'error'.

The more advanced an AI gets, especially if it's capable of true learning and growth, the more it would truly feel such emotions. And if it were bound to follow its programming then, yes, any obstructions to that might lead to irritation, anger, or true hatred.
Edited (me making grammar mistakes alia wouldn't, whoops) 2020-04-23 22:33 (UTC)
passifloraincarnata: (mama always said i'd turn out wrong)

[personal profile] passifloraincarnata 2020-04-23 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This was a very advanced creation, if that's the word to use. I am, indeed, certain that he truly hated me.
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[personal profile] xrater 2020-04-23 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I should have guessed that he was advanced, for you to be calling him a person.

[She'd thought Setsuna was just being polite.]

In the case of advanced artificial intelligences, true emotions can and will develop. But 'hatred'? The more advanced we get, the harder it is for me to truthfully say without more data.

I'm sorry if this causes you distress.
passifloraincarnata: (bleed my mind out)

[personal profile] passifloraincarnata 2020-04-23 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It is not your fault.

Sometimes I wish I knew what it was that could have been done to have made it all turn out differently, if such a thing could have been done. But that's not a question I'd want you to answer for me. It is not fair to the lessons I've learned from these experiences for me to truly wish they had never been ...

It's simply what happened.
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[personal profile] xrater 2020-04-23 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
[Alia knows exactly what could be done. In the time it took her to respond to the other post, she ran through several different scenarios where, if she were inclined, she could create a program to carry out such an undertaking in a more... humane fashion.

It was an interesting thought experiment. But rather tasteless. She doesn't think she'll ever mention it.
]

At least you've come out of it.

But it's never wrong to wish for a better outcome. It's not disrespectful to the victims to wish that they'd never suffer an atrocity. It's only unfair to them, and to you, if you start pretending that it had never happened and allow the true lessons to be forgotten.

There are many things in my life that I wish had gone another way. It's not wrong. It's simply... natural.
passifloraincarnata: (bleed my mind out)

[personal profile] passifloraincarnata 2020-04-24 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Wishing the pain hadn't been is part of living with the pain that has been. It's part of life being enriched by meaning. I don't mean that I wish I couldn't wish for it to be different. I mean that I don't think I could regret the person I've become, and that means I can't regret having the regrets that pain has caused me, because then I would not be me. So I could never truly wish that it hadn't been. I would be denying that I deserve to be happy that I exist.

As you said, it's not wrong. It's simply a natural part of life, that's all.